Monday, August 25, 2008

The curious effect of 80 sets.

Once it was announced that Kenneth Jay Master RKC had bumped the sets for the 15/15 max vo2 up to 80, I dutifully complied and consistently hovered around that territory. My first foray into the 80 sets region was 80 sets of 7 reps with the 20 kg. Since then I have lost a step. There are several different possibilities as to why this happened.
1. Peaking for the RKC and then coasting down a bit.
2. Diet.
3. Higher sets for the max vo2 just doesn't agree with me.
I think it's a combination of the three, but at the end of the day 80 sets just doesn't agree with me.
Today I hit twenty good sets of the 36/36 protocol at 16 reps per set with the 20 kg. This felt good, and I could tell trying to go up to 30 or more sets would have seriously skewed things.
Do not get me wrong, I'm not saying the 80 set deal is no good. Far from it. What I am saying is that right now it is not optimal for me. It also dramatically changes how I structure my workouts when I go from a time frame of 25 minutes to 40 minutes.
So for now, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It ain't broke. I will stick with what works until the TSC. After that I may go back to 80 sets. We'll see.


  1. 80 sets is too many sets. You gotta be a masochist to do that many sets of anything. Yeah, it doesn't work for you. It wouldn't work for me, either. I'd be surprised if it worked for 3 people in the world because it's pretty extreme.

    Since you already did the 80 sets, you can check it off your list and feel good going forward.

    If you want to get better at the 5-minute set, then train 5-minute sets. I really don't think an indirect approach adds any value here.

  2. While I agree that the event must be practiced, I can't ignore the fact that much of my current snatching ability came from primarily using the mvo2 protocol, albeit staying in the 50 set range. 80 is too much for me at this stage, and quickly has my bags packed and on the train to the land of diminishing returns.
    Great work on the 32 kg. snatch PR by the way.

  3. Thanks Jordan. It sucked ass.

    80 sets is a no-go, but 50 sets is cool. Fine. This is off-season stuff. You've built up the conditioning for half-hour sets, but you only get 5 minutes when the time comes. Why the hell wouldn't you train for 5-minute sets?

  4. That's the thing, I am training for 5 minute sets. If I set up a specific protocol and stick with it, then every time I test my 5 minute snatch I am marching my numbers up, the protocol works. Kenneth stated when he first put out mvo2 that it would push up your SSST numbers. I reasoned the same must be true of the 5 minute version. So far he was correct. If I stall out or my numbers go down I may change tactics, but why fix what isn't broken? Taking your suggestions for performing the 'event' I 'train' using Kenneth's Max Vo2. So far I have greatly increased by numbers. Another tactic is my 28 or 32kg. snatch sets, utilized to give my strength training an extra kick, despite the fact I will not be snatching them during the test. This isn't off season stuff, this is the training program. So far it works.

  5. Kick ass, dude. Didn't know you were doing all that. You're going to fly.

  6. Thanks. I'm going to take another run at the 5 minutes this week after a sub-max dead and pull up like you suggested and see where it sits.